20 October 2005
According To The West
I don't know why most of the western people believe that Arabs are all members of Al Qaida and that all Muslims are terrorists. While most Arabs are against Al Qaida and Islam is against killing innocent people for any reason. The problem is that sometimes people claim some religious roots to their deeds in order to give them legality and gain some sympathy from the members of that religion, and that why Al Qaida and Al Zarkawi always claim that they do what the do because it is the Islam which dictates them to do so. While Islam has nothing to do with these actions for sure.
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I am with you in this. I agree and say it loud.
ReplyDelete"don't know why most of the western people believe that Arabs are all members of Al Qaida and that all Muslims are terrorists."
ReplyDeleteI think this probably sums it up for why islam is held in such low regard:
"We will not judge your actions by your religion, but will judge your religion by your actions"
"Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them....If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim 4294)
"We will not judge your actions by your religion, but will judge your religion by your actions"
ReplyDeleteThis is totally wrong. You may consider the case of a murderer or a group of murderers who came out to be chritians or jews. Are we going to judge their religion by their actions !!??
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ReplyDeleteDe nada,
ReplyDeleteWho is is out there killing on BEHALF of their religion? Christians? Jews? Scientologist?
ReplyDeleteNO!
Only muslims are killing innocent people and then shouting "allah akbar!"
THAT is why we judge you so harshly - you belong to a cult of MURDERERS!
It seems that you still insist on judging a religion by its believers deeds, and that's why there is no way to continue arguing with you
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ReplyDeleteFlanstein,
ReplyDeleteYou are entitled to your opinions. However, I must say that your words struck my heart like a knife. I have never understood how people could speak so hatefully of one another. One God created all of us.
There is a reason why you spout such hatred. I admit I have no idea what that reason is. I am also not going to stand in judgment of you. My life's experiences have taught me that we as people are much more alike than we are different. In my faith, the commandment that supersedes all others is "love one another." God did not put qualifiers or conditions on that love.
Sadly, people claiming to represent many faiths, including Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have perpetrated atrocities against one another in the name of God.
God is not the Father of hatred. Those who perpetuate hate misrepresent the people who follow the true tenets of their respected faiths.
For this reason, I cannot support what you say. I can say this - I am going to light a candle for you on a website and put your name on it. Each day, starting today, I will sit in a quiet place and pray that God gives you insight and changes your heart. I believe in the power of prayer.
"I don't know why most of the western people believe that Arabs are all members of Al Qaida and that all Muslims are terrorists."
ReplyDeleteHow can you possibly know what most western people believe? You can read our minds?
"Most western people believe X" is as invalid as "most Arabs are terrorists". You and those specific westerners whose statements you're reacting to are overgeneralizing in exactly the same way. I live in America and have had many conversations with various people about what's going on in the Middle East. NOBODY has told me he or she thinks all Arabs or all Muslims are terrorists, members of Al Quaida, or anything else.
Laura(southernxyl)
Hi Laura and welcome here.
ReplyDeleteFirst, It seems that you dun read your newspapers and see what is writtend there, even the comics in them.
Seconf, You may also find this in the cooments I've recieved here (e.g. Flanstein)
Third, what is your opinion about Islam anyway .. we will be glad to hear it.
Tarek, thanks for the welcome.
ReplyDeleteI do read the newspapers and the comics. I've never seen the statement that all Arabs or all Muslims are terrorists. Ever. And even if somebody has said that - there are, what, 260 million people in America alone, and we do not comprise the entire western world. I don't think anybody but God could possibly know what most westerners believe about anything.
My opinion of Islam ... well, I don't know that I am really entitled to an opinion, since I am not a Muslim. My gut feeling is that most Muslims, like most Christians, most Jews, and most anything else, are doing the best they can to figure out what they're supposed to do and then do it. I don't reckon any of us have a signed note from God saying we're right in every detail of our beliefs and everybody else is wrong
Laura(southernxyl)
Welcome back Laura, I do not have much resources here but this is Summary Report on Islamophobia in the EU after 11 September 2001 published by the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC).
ReplyDeletehttp://eumc.eu.int/eumc/material/pub/anti-islam/Synthesis-report_en.pdf
Actually the presence of an expression such as Islamophobia can give you a good indicator of what I am talking about here.
ReplyDelete"Islamophobia"? I love how muslims call people names simply for reporting the crimes of other muslims
ReplyDeleteIt's not us who have invented the name, go see the previous report and you can find the word at wikipdia as well ... please try to read first before leaving comments :)
ReplyDeleteThe non-word "islamophobia" was coined by the the jihadis at CAIR when folks started noticing that virtually every terrorist in the world was a muslim. Apparently, if you point out the truth about islam, you get called this...
ReplyDeleteFunny, by the way, why do I have that feeling that you and anonymous Laura are the same person !!
ReplyDeleteTarek, I am not flanstein. If you'll notice, our expressions are polar opposites of each other.
ReplyDeleteI don't have time right now to read all of the report you linked to, but I do note a couple of things: First, it's about "islamophobia" in the EU. The European countries are having a different experience with Muslim immigrants than we are in the USA. We expect our immigrants to blend in and get with the program, but we don't expect them to set the customs they bring from their homes to do so. We can afford to do this because we're already a huge blend of cultures and it's easier for us to absorb new cultures without feeling like we're changing too much. From what I understand, there is much more of a culture clash in some European countries. For example, schoolgirls in France are not allowed to wear the hijab in public schools because the French, rightly or wrongly, feel they must prohibit this to protect their culture. In the USA it is unconstitutional to tell a Muslim schoolgirl she cannot wear her hijab in public school - this has been upheld by the courts. The other thing I notice is that this report describes an entire process set up to examine and document "islamophobia" that they EXPECTED to see following 9/11, before anything ever actually happened. What were the odds that they were going to report that they couldn't find anything? There were some "hate crimes" reported in the US, and they were pretty quickly found to be either misunderstandings or self-inflicted to get attention, something that happens among members of various "oppressed" groups all the time.
Finally, as a white American, I am well used to having evil racist views ascribed to me by people I don't know and who don't know me from Eve's off-ox. This is very old hat. I can make up words too - how about "westernophobia". Not a very pretty word, is it? And I'll leave you with a Bible verse: "Love delights not in evil, but rejoices in the truth." If you found out that Western attitudes really are not as wretched as you assume, would you be relieved, or disappointed?
Laura(southernxyl)
I'll sure be happy to find that I am wrong and that the westerns don't have that ill opinion about Islam and Arabs. And I really hope that you are right, but can't see any evidences so far out there to make me blieve that my hopes have come true.
ReplyDeleteI forgot - I do have a blogger identity.
ReplyDeleteBTW, hope that you reveal your anonymous identity in your following posts.
ReplyDeleteTarek, what opinion do you have of us, other than that we probably hate your guts? Be charitable, now! Set an example!
ReplyDeleteIt's not hatred, let's call it misunderstanding instead.
ReplyDeleteOther than that I think western nations (people) are more civilized and less emotional then the oriental world. And I dunno if these are both advantages or disadvanges or any combination of them.
Hm, more civilized and less emotional.
ReplyDeleteThat's an interesting contrast. Different ethnic groups in the U.S., and all ethnic groups within a specific region of the country, have reputations for being high or low on the scales for both of those issues. We in the South pride ourselves on our good manners. We can be very emotional, though, on stupid issues, especially when we know in our hearts that we're in the wrong (like the people who still insist on flying that stupid Confederate flag). But I think people are people, the world over, and I think generalizing by ethnic group or nation of origin or anything else can be a dangerous thing to do. Not to mention intellectually lazy. I had it explained to me once on an Internet forum that because I am from Mississippi, I am "less likely" to be literate. Never mind that I was obviously literate enough to read this jerk's comments and respond in writing. He liked thinking in stereotypes because it "saved time". I'll never forget that.
I am with you that at the end of the day we are all humans, and it is hard to judge people by the orgin or the place they live in, however statistically you can find that a big percentage of a nation or an ethnic group tend to have so and so in common and that's what I was talking about. And finally, stereotypes are not always wrong but that may be misleading some times
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ReplyDeleteThe folks who lost loved ones at the WTC refer to it as infidelophobia...
ReplyDeleteI know I'm a few weeks late in posting on this thread, but I wanted to put in my two cents.
ReplyDeleteThe West is about as varied in opinion as the Middle East. I've spoken to Egyptians who were virulently anti-US, a Syrian and a Palestinian who were pro-US and even expressed pro-Israeli sentiments, and three Iranians who were athiests, very political, and very sympathetic to the United States (and one of them was gay!) You're always going to get the people with the strong opinions to air their opinions in public forums because those who don't hold strong opinions don't care enough to comment.
Regarding the quote, "We will not judge your actions by your religion, but will judge your religion by your actions", what do you have to say to the Crusades? To the Inquisition? To religiously justified colonialism and slavery? Or, on a non-Judeo-Christian bent, to wars and conflicts and policies used by Hindus and Buddhists to enforce their political ideals on other groups, all in the name of religion? How about a Buddhist Chinese government waging war on Buddhist Chinese monestaries in the warring states period of Chinese history? "Non-attachment" my ass!
In my (not so) humble opinion, it's about power. "The Islamists" want to control the dialogue of the Middle East and enforce their values on the people that live there. "The West" has the exact same agenda. Who is right? Why? Both are using religious ideologies to justify doing some pretty horrifying stuff for their side in the conflict. America is bombing the bejeezus out of Iraq, killing an estimated tens (or hundreds) of thousands of innocent Iraqis in an effort to kill the minority who are opposing them. Fundamentalist Islamist Terrorirsts are blowing themselves up to kill innocent Iraqis who are waiting in line to get a job cleaning up their own neighborhoods, justifying their actions by claiming that those they kill are collaborating with the occupying infidels.
Is it the Christian thing to do to try to liberate a people when it costs the lives of so many innocents? Is it the Islamic thing to do to use planes to damage monuments of cultural and economic power of an ideologically opposed culture when it costs the lives of so many innocents?