The whole story started here, when I saw a comment made by an anonymous user saying that "Saddam hussein al Tikrity was the last noble great Arab since Saladin (Arabised kurd)". Actually, I thought that he was kidding, because I didn't imagine that there is someone on this planet who says something like this. But unfortunately it came out that he was not kidding at all, and that he really meant every single word of what he said. And that anonymous user came out to be called Amr El Abyad later on.
"It was Amr El Abyad, Aonymous. Am going to discuss it with Tarek in his Blogger", Amr El AbyadHe then decided to continue his debate here.
"Please tell me why you think what i said abou Sadam Hussien Funny ? I was very serious and am willing to discusss it with you if you want", Amr El AbyadSo, I found my self forced to reply, however I think it is really trivial to argue about something like this that is supposed to be very clear.
"So, you really think that 'Saddam hussein al Tikrity was the last noble great Arab since saladin (arabised kurd)'. Even after knowing about the assasinations he was part of before ruling, and the exessive use of chemical weapons in Halabja killing thousands (15,000 victims I guess) of innocent kurds, and attacking Kuwait for no specific reason. Let's not talk about the continuous massacres he did to his own people and the mass graves, because I am sure you'll tell me that they deserved it, or that they were all thieves or so. And away from his crimes, what did he actually do to any other Arabic country? Unless you consider his support to some Christian groups during the Lebanese civil war as support to the whole Arab world", MeAnd guess what, Amr decided to continue his hide and seek game, and continued his debate here. Here you are parts of what he said.
"The Arabs wasted their oil money in buying aeroplanes and prostituting in London and Paris, as well as turning their countries into service based economies for intercontinental trade. In the mean time our oil that is being exported to the west creates their fortune, power and weapons that are keeping us underneath. Kuwait made use of the economic difficulties iraq was going through due to to its ambitious industrlisation and HI Tec military complexes projects.And pumped more tha its share to bring the oil prices down. their pimp sheikhs was asking the Americans to do somethin about the pan Arab Sadam", Amr El AbyadSo, according to Amr El Abyad's point of view, any country has the right to declare war on another one and occupy it, just because they do not know how to spend their money well.
He then continued.
"About the Kurds. During the that time militant kurds took refugee in the mountains and braught in dirty iranian commandos into the iraqi soil. Now to make the point clear, i will make use of a hypothetical scenario. in 1973 thee nubians rebel and ask for an independent state. Moreover, they collaborate with israelians and facilitate the infiltration of israeli commandoas behind the Egyptian lines!!!!!! . Another scenario is a war between the us and mexico and American mexicans collaborating with the mexicans". Amr El AbyadCome on, let's say that those evil Kurds really wanted to rebel - however I am not really sure of it. Is bombing their countries, killing civilians with forbidden chemecial weapons, taregeting innocent women and children, is this an acceptable response!? What about those mass graves, and the victems were not kurds by the way, did they want to rebel too. So it's the Kurds, Shiits, Turkuman, and everyone wanted to rebel, and Saddam is the only patriot person in Iraq!?
I think what happened in 2003, when the Iraqi army didn't fight the Americans, and Baghdad was occupied in few hours, made it clear that no one in Iraq wanted that person and they were really pissed off of him, so that they prefered not to fight the occupying forces to protecting that dictator. Don't you remember the scene of the Iraqis slapping Saddam's statues with their shoes, and spitting on his picture. What a great leader is that one that every single human in his country hates him that much!
Ok, we may hate what USA do, and we may be against its occupoation to an Arab country, but don't let that hatred make us blind to see the bad deeds of someone, because he was against it for sometime.
P.S. Mr. Amr El Abyad's moved again, and made a newer reply here. Amr, please make all your comments in a single location, it's hard for me as well as th readers to track your replies. Or else, I'll find myself forced to make a contest here with $1,000,000 prize for the one who'll be able to track your replies successfully.
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Shokran habibi for caring to reply and for making a thme about our brothers in iraq.
ReplyDeleteTarek i have been follwing your articles carefully and i know for sure that you are objective and analytical. However, when it came to your cooments on the iraq issue, you got carried away and your response was not convincing. you resorted to joking and and denying well known facts. I know that you have a good sense of humour, you also sound rather fair an square . That's why i was surprised by your answer.
First of all, you should have included all what i wrote about the issue ( la takrobo al salah wa antom sookara). you chose to answer only to what i mentioned about the kurds, saying you are not sure of the kurdish rebles helping iranian commandos in, to work behind the iraqi lines. Dear Tarek, even the Americans during a congressinal commitee admited that, though it was not in their favour. Thart is HISTORICAL FACT YOU DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY, it is not a matter of opinion.
About the right to invade other countries. In the crappy india Tarek they have 1500 languages of different origins, 100 religons considerable geographical barries between different states. The same a goes for China. compare the poor and weak Egypot to any of them!!!!!! the arabs have one religon, one history one language one culture and the bigggest oil reserves in the world.
wh7y are they deprived of becoming one nation. dont you get jealous for your country and nation, when you see how retarded and miserable we have become. We are the only people left behind in the world apart of Africa. iraq was the only country in this region with real potentials for a better future.
Now it is paying the price for trying to live proud, arabic and free
about the iraqi army dude. in 1990 33 countries including the us britain france, pakistan, egypt and syria were fighting iraq. they kept on bombarding. the entire iraqi infrastructure. factories, labs , power stations for 2 months, then they destroyed the iraqi army. the red faced pig Ramsfield swore to shoot iraq back into the stone age. it was a war of jealousy and grudge iraq was dangerous they possesed the tools of progress and power and they were not subdued, theyu remained dedicated to pan- Arabism and the their Arabic identity.
from 1990 till 2003 iraq was under siege bombarded on daily basis. the iraqy infants were dying because there not enough milk for them puhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
after 4 years accrding to American dubious figures. using only machine guns and primitive explosive the American army lost 2630 soldies twenty thousand wounded, the entire American army is held at a stale they cant move from the air port to the city center of bahgdad. the Americans are losing their neves out of fear and horroe and suffering from severe psychological traumas.
according to the british "observer" the ameicans lost twelve thousand souls and forty thousand wounded. The Americans dont declare the names of the soldiers who are killed without families,. moreover the American army is using mercenaries, private security companies and they are killed in dozens every day.
it is illeagal in the democratic US to take photos of american coffins going back to america
Moreover, the iraqi lionsd are fighting the dirty iranians as well. The cock rosh Najad and animated piece of crap Khamini are equiping the badr miltias and traing them to evacuate the south of iraq from sunnis . one million iranian infiltrated into iraq after the invasion and they distorting the attention of the resitance.
the pimp sistany made a fatwa for the shiaas not to attack the forgieners.
the shiaa cleric mahmoud hosni asked iraqis for unity and that all the shiaas should attack the us and iranians in iraq.
his followers demonstrated in Basra, burned down the dirty iranian consulate while shouting " arab kolona arab barah ya garab)
his office was bombed and his follwers are being arrested by the men of badr militia, whose leader Abdul Aziz al-hakim speaks arabic with a persian accent and who told briemer " am iranian you are american they are iraqis. The American Negro monkey condelisa Rice said that the U.s will negotiate with iran about iraq!!!!.
in April according to the dubious American figures. the americans casualties were were 78 killed and 500 wounded, in May 69 killed 500 wounded, in June 62 killed 500 wounded
during this period according to American resources the americans were negotiating with iran about iraq. suddenly sectarian violence broke out, it was initiated by the badr militias who kill the ex baathists , iraq pilots who humilated destroyed the dirty iranian army and braught down the insects khamini and rafsanjani on their kness, iraqi scientist , academics.........
you know the number of Americans killed in July was 47 as the resiatance had to direct its attention to fight the badr militias who include iranian elite elements , intelligence and totally persianised iraqis.
the iraqis are the only men in an Arab world full of rats, pimps and half men who are only good at stabbing each other in the back. The idiots have missed their cghance of proud life full of dignity.
please tark publish my ex comment on iraq so every one interested in the theme can read the whole issue
in order to include as many people as possible to the debate
By the way it turned out that those who were bringing the staue down were some kuwaties brought in by the occupiers. it has been mentioned by al jazeera and al arabiya as well as the british BBS
ReplyDelete@Amr, Thank you, I will try to reply on what you've said point by point.
ReplyDeleteAAbyad: "First of all, you should have included all what i wrote about the issue"
Ok it's hard to include everything here, however I've added links to what you said for anyone who would like to read it. Actually, I belive that I took the main points of what you said in order to reply on, and the rest was redundant.
AAbyad: "you chose to answer only to what i mentioned about the kurds, saying you are not sure of the kurdish rebles helping iranian commandos in, to work behind the iraqi lines."
I told you, the Kurds were not the only victims of that dictator, Shiaa, Turkman, even some of Sunnis all were victims too. And please don't tell me that all the Iraqis were evel spys dealing with Iran in order to rebel, and Saddam is the only patriot person in Iraq.
AAbyad: "About the right to invade other countries. In the crappy india Tarek they have 1500 languages of different origins, 100 religons considerable geographical barries between different states. The same a goes for China. compare the poor and weak Egypot to any of them!!!!!! the arabs have one religon, one history one language one culture and the bigggest oil reserves in the world"
Sorry, but I can't get your point. Are you telling me that Iraq must invade India, or China is supposed to invade Egypt, or what !?
AAbyad: "why are they deprived of becoming one nation. dont you get jealous for your country and nation, when you see how retarded and miserable we have become. We are the only people left behind in the world apart of Africa. iraq was the only country in this region with real potentials for a better future."
Ok, let's go invade other Arab countries, kill anyone there who may oppose our patriotic will, destroy ourselves, just to unite the Arab world under our mighty leadership.
AAByad: "about the iraqi army dude. in 1990 33 countries including the us britain france, pakistan, egypt and syria were fighting iraq. they kept on bombarding. the entire iraqi infrastructure. factories, labs , power stations for 2 months, then they destroyed the iraqi army. the red faced pig Ramsfield swore to shoot iraq back into the stone age. it was a war of jealousy and grudge iraq was dangerous they possesed the tools of progress and power and they were not subdued, theyu remained dedicated to pan- Arabism and the their Arabic identity. From 1990 till 2003 iraq was under siege bombarded on daily basis. the iraqy infants were dying because there not enough milk for them puhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
Ok, USA are bastards, and Saddam is bastard too. I can't get your point, as I told you before, we may hate what USA do, and we may be against its occupoation to an Arab country, but don't let that hatred make us blind to see the bad deeds of someone, because he was against it for sometime.
AAbyad, "Moreover, the iraqi lionsd are fighting the dirty iranians as well. The cock rosh Najad and animated piece of crap Khamini are equiping the badr miltias and traing them to evacuate the south of iraq from sunnis . one million iranian infiltrated into iraq after the invasion and they distorting the attention of the resitance.
the pimp sistany made a fatwa for the shiaas not to attack the forgieners."
I really don't know what is the point of using such dirty language in your argument, are you trying to prove how "polite", and "educated" person you are or what!!?
I guess you don't have time to see the daily massacres the *Salafys* suicide bombers commit in Iraq, and for sure you didn't get those Salafy fatwas. About Al Sistany, I believe that without those Fatwas that you are making fun of, thousands if not millions of Sunnis would have been killed in Iraq - as a reply on the massacres commited against the Shiia majority - long time ago. And that's why some Christians groups in Iraq asked for the Nobel Peace prize to be given to him for his efforts.
AAbyad: "By the way it turned out that those who were bringing the staue down were some kuwaties"
Oh, really!? So, it seems that you are the one who is having good sense of humor now.
@Amr, please find below the "Al Sistany for Nobel's Peace Prize" initiative, I mentiond above.
ReplyDelete"We belong to various religious, ethnic and various professions and system of thoughts – however, we united in respecting social peace and brotherhood of all races and cultures of Humanity.
Mr. Sistani gave Muslims all around the globe a good example how to follow peaceful ways to resolve complex social-political challenges that face them, condemning terror and emphasizing to Millions of Muslims to follow rules of law and respect to humane, peaceful methods and civic norms to promote social peace and political-civic peaceful practices in the Iraqi , Muslim and Int’l societies. We deeply believe that the contribution of Ayat-Ullah Ali Al-Sistani has helped Iraqi society to avoid civil and multiethnic violent conflicts that terrorists intended to draw, and by this he has promoted peace and respect to human brotherhood in Iraq, the region, and all over the world- and that is why we believe Al-Sistani deserves the Nobel prize for Peace."
It was then signed by about 40,000 persons from different religions and ethnics.
Dear Tarek
ReplyDeletethe Turkomen, kurds, keldanians and assyrians all together made up between 10 and 15 % of the iraqi population. The assyrians and keldanians (christians ) were very happy under sadam and had full rights. Tarek Aziz was christian, i have 3 assyrian friends who are crying for the days of sadam and cursing iran and their traitor agents in iraq like hakim the persian.
The kurds had no problems at all unless they resorted to treason ( collaborating with iran and rebellion)
taha yassen ramadan the second man in iraq was a kurd in case you didnt know. As long as they are standing with arabs agains their iranian enemy and not stabbing their country at the back while it is fighting they had no problem.
by the way the al quida make up only 5% of the iraqui resistance according to most European andindepnden american resources. in 2004 Moktada al sadr was fighting the Americans . No oneever to attack them.
the traitor al sistany made ftwa not to attack the americans and pressed sadr to stop his battle against the Americans. After the resitance started to eliminate anyone who is dealing with occupation no matter sunni or shii.
However, some salafi elements atacked with suicide bombs ordinary shiaas while practicing their rituals. all the iraqi resisting factions declared themselves irresponsible for that and attacked the salafis who are now under control check "albasrah.net"
by the way, the americans kicked all the foreign reporters out of iraq in order to distort the image of the resistance.
i heard from many iraqis that
. that many of the scenes shown in cnn are actually battlefields betwen resistance against American forces and low life traitor collaborators. After the clash is over the Americans make it seem like a terror attack.
my dear and romantic friend Tarek where is your arabic nakhwa al nakhwa al arabiya. stand up and defend the resistance hero who are going with primitive guns against the full might of the american war machine with its information technology based weaponry, holding them at a stale, preserving the arabic identity, and proving that our nation and identity is still alright . they give us young arab men hope for the future. we have to actualise our wills stand up against the enervative circumstances. our politicaians have poisened our environment and are staeling the the hopes and the dreams of young boys and girls from morocco to iraq
Dear Amr
ReplyDeleteGoogling your name "Amr Abyadon" in web the result is amazing;
1-Its seems that you are searching in forum to find any opportunity to show your hate toward Persian/ Iranian by distorting history and making a fake history and try to sell it to those that might have spent less time on studying history.
2-You are pushing to changing the identity of people of North Africa and Middle East to Arabs by force.
Studying result of responses amazingly shows that many people especially Egyptians believe that they are Egyptians not Arab. Please note to the following points:
a. You are providing most of the time not well supported theories as fact.
b. The main reason you are providing is Arabic language as common ground of those nations, a simple response from any average IQ to you would be that Egyptians are as much Arab as Algerian are French.
c. You are ignoring totally Palestinians as part of this nation and never mention any interest to support them as part of your unity.
d. You are obviously advocating war, giving legitimacy to mass killing, usage of chemical weapon against civilians and supporting terror symbols, advocating racism very close to Nazism
The quick analysis on all your comments and notes on internet will give this impression;
You are suffering from serious psychological problem developed into antisocial personality, in other words you are considered a danger for humanity, you should be observed and controlled closely, you have potential to become a terrorist or mass murderer and (I hope this will never happen) an Arabic version of Adolf Hitler.
From other point your strong hatred towards Persians/Iranian and your eye-catching struggle to downgrade this nation possessing their achievement and pride for benefit of Arab nation have a subtle implication that you have bitter experiences in some relation to Persians such as loosing any completion (job, education, romance) and felt humiliated badly which has resulted in such sick behavior and need professional interventions to guarantee your health.
Funny how I came upon this. I briefly dated this guy, he's exactly everything you have listed above and surprisingly comes from an affluent family. Sad, truly sad that a great mind can turn so sour.
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